How many babies are killed by the Pro-Lifers’ God?
Edwin Poots and his “Pro-Life” campaigner friends make a very big issue of the fact that Northern Ireland has a near-consensus on abortion. Yesterday Sinn Fein – and Anna Lo and a few others – broke ranks to put a stop to an amendment to Northern Ireland’s abortion law that would have stopped private clinics – like Marie Stopes – from carrying out terminations.
That breaking of ranks is to be welcomed. For too long debate on abortion has been stifled by a male-dominated and religiously fundamentalist Assembly.
Life often isn’t fair. Children are often born into homes that are neither caring nor loving. Too many children live awful and unfulfilling lives. Here and elsewhere.
And, unfortunately, many children – as many as 1 in every 5 fetuses – are never born because of miscarriage.
For those that believe in a God he (it’s always a He, ironically) is the biggest abortionist of all. He kills thousands of babies here in Northern Ireland every year. Edwin Poots and his Pro-Life campaigners never protest about that.
What a ridiculous post…
Your claims of God being an abortionist mean that you also have to lay the accusations of murderer on him – as he will ultimately be responsible for the death of any person on Earth.
Of course this might be correct, were it not the solid Christian view (and historically Jewish) that the reason we all die is our fault and not God’s. Although the unborn child may not personally be at fault, the fault rests on the shoulders of the human race.
Don’t be so ignorant of Christian beliefs simply to make your own views seem more reasonable. Try making arguments that aren’t so logically flawed and then perhaps some Christians might sit up and listen.
There is no flaw in my argument. If a Christian believes in God’s will then by definition one must believe that the will of God (in the case of a miscarriage) is to abort the child. Ergo God is an abortionist. So therefore, by definition, a God abortion is OK but a human-induced abortion that results in less pain and suffering to a child that might be born into poverty or deprivation is not. I can’t understand the logic. But then I can rarely understand the logic of indoctrination and irrationality.
Such a sad and clear resentment of God’s will is testament more to the idiocy of YOUR indoctrination by the secular pro-choice lobbyists than miscarriage is tantamount to an abortion. Why do free-loving liberalists like yourself blame God for all the wrong and yet fail to thank him for all the right? So sinful, frail, tragically depraved human beings have 80% babies that go full term- praise God. (Your figures not mine I have no idea how accurate you are).
I personally believe that God has overall control but that the fall, i.e sin, casts a physical as well as a meta-physical shadow over the earth and miscarriage is one of those shadows.
But feel free to continue to trot out meaningless rhetoric to your hearts content. Your point actually seemed to have some gravitas until, like most liberalists, you finished by trying (unsuccessfully) to belittle your would-be opponents with humorous, demeaning and patronising one liners. Good luck with that.
Jk your comment doesn’t really make any sense. I am not trotting out rhetoric I’m simply trying to establish if people like you (Christians and other people of faith) can accept “natural” abortions (presumably carried out by your God given your belief in such a concept) but not medically induced abortions. Just explain to me why you accept one and not the other. At a purely emotional level it would seem to me to be much more cruel to abort a child that is wanted (God abortion/miscarriage) than one not wanted (medically induced abortion). Explain.
One of the things you say is that you think all Christian’s / people of faith believe that God controls everything – true. But we control out own destinies- hence we can sin, we can choose to do pretty much whatever we want. God deliberately gave us that choice. I agree that miscarriage is a terrible thing, and if God is in control then it’s a question of semantics to ask whether he simply ALLOWS it to happen, as I believe, or MAKES it happen, as you appear to believe. I personally think that it’s the former because of the fall (as stated previously). If God were responsible for all things the wag you believe him to be then he would be responsible for sin and he isn’t. Free will/ choice is. Ironic really when your point is about choosing whether or not to have an abortion. I do believe life is precious but unlike most Christians out there I would rather the children be spared hurt and depravity in life by a termination before they know anything about it. Hey, that’s just my opinion and I’m not saying its a morally secure one.
Jk – just stand back from your argument for a second and re-read what you have just written. Put on the type of head you put on to engage in all everyday activities – where you use evidence, reason and logic to function. Then re-read what you have written. You will see (and I’m ignoring your typos) that what you have written is simply mumbo jumbo. It makes no sense. It’s meaningless nonsense. You’re just contriving a bizarre logic and contorting yourself because you cannot explain the evil of your own contrived God.
This post is laughable. There’s an argument about regulation and accountability. Basically if a woman has 420 euro stopes will provide abortion but Jesus does it for free, and ad hoc miscarriage is now abortion on demand, you are right Jeff there’s no flaw in your argument it’s got so many flaws its hard to take it seriously.
So Kateyo, your justification relates to the cost? Is that correct. You’re suggesting that your God/Jesus aborts free of charge babies that are wanted and would be cherished if born. So that makes it a good and proper thing? Is that seriously your argument? Please identify the flaw in my argument. Let me repeat it. If one accepts that miscarriages are the will of God (I don’t, but you do) that makes God an abortionist. And the worst kind – the kind who aborts unborn children who would be loved.
Er my god, I get religious when I am in an aeroplane
miscarriage is not a deliberate act, abortion is a reaction to circumstances. Cost is a factor, the pro abortion body for years have cried about the cost of travelling to England, now you say cost doesn’t matter, which is it? My point re Jesus was a poke at your religious aspect of this. The debate at present surrounds accountability and regulation, as it stands money matters, the nhs is a regulated and proper place for abortion not an unregulated clinic, and the law should be much tighter in my view. This is human life we are talking about after all.
I’d advocate choice. NHS or private clinic but the Abortion Act should be extended to Northern Ireland. Also if one accepts the concept of a God miscarriage is a deliberate act – divine intervention etc. Also you raised the cost issue – I didn’t. As for human life – what quality of life is it if an unwanted child is born into poverty and deprivation? Quality of life is at question here – not quantity.
Anti-abortion people aren’t in favour of much, are they? They don’t tend to be keen on contraception either. They don’t care much for single mothers, absent fathers or feral children. They don’t like “dole scroungers” or sink estates. They reject any sensible, human-centred solution to problems, insisting instead that we all just “repent”. They do like having a store of examples of human “depravity” (see above), and will take most misfortune as expression of God’s disapproval of all the depravity — it is his will. But reason that it is his will that tens of thousands of ickle baybees get flushed down the toilet, well of course not! That’s everyone else’s fault too. As aliverightnows says, “Although the unborn child may not personally be at fault, the fault rests on the shoulders of the human race.” How silly of me. If these people ever met with logic or even irony, the shock might kill them. Whose fault would that be?